The problem I am having is that when I go to “Deploy a Presearch Instance” , enter the registraion code, and choose a suitably capable node, Threefold will confirm the instance as deployed, start charging TFT tokens for the deployment, but the node simply never shows on the Presearch node list as connected/online. I waited upt to 48 hrs after deployment and nothing. I generated new registration codes several times and same thing. All I was able to deploy was three nodes and two of them are actually down now. The Singapore node is the only one currently running.
Best to dig deeper into the VM holding the pre node. Please ssh into the machine, so you can see what is happening. BTW, did you launch a node using the planetary network or using a fix IPv4 address ?
Thanks for the report, @antongreydon. I have this on my backlog to investigate. If you can provide me with some node ids that you tried deploying on, that would be helpful.
In the meantime, I’m happy to announce that we’ve slimmed down the resources allocated to the deployment, so Presearch nodes on the grid should consume about half of the TFT they used to. You’ll need to redeploy to take advantage of this.
Nice that the TFT rate went down. But it used to be 0.09/hour and now it’s 0.15/hour . Is that due to the price decrease in TFT?I did not have to re-deploy the Singapore node (2165), which has had 100% uptime so far and the rate is now 0.15592/TFT/hour. That’s 112 TFT per month which at 0.019 cents is 2.12 USD per month which seems about the same as before.
So I deployed two nodes again yesterday and today, about 16 hours later, they are still not showing as connected on my Presearch Node dsahboard although they show as active on the TFT deployment page and are being billed. The nodes I deployed on are 2673 and 2462. For 2462 I generated a new registration code.
@Geert --> Planetary Network. Do I have to have the app (on my phone) conneted to the Planetary Network in order for the deployment to be succesfull? I have noticed that my phone or the app, not sure which, disconnects me from the Planetary Nework every so often without my doing anything (at least that I know of)
Not sure how to ssh into machine.
Does the JSON log help?
Scott, great Quick Start guide. Thumbs up, very clear. Created my very fist deployment with it in quite fast I might add. Keep up the good work.
On addition to it I only generated an SSH key with PuTTY while setting up the deployment.
However I am also waiting(1hour till now) for the node to show in the presearch dashboard.
That’s quite long for Presearch to recognize the node. Never took so long for me.
If it doesn’t show up the next hour you might wanna check the deployment.
Noup still nothing. 15h and counting, created another one in playground just in case, both of them are with 1cpu, 1gb ram, 10gb HDD/SSD, and billing 0.15592 TFT/hour per node.
I did some investigation today and it turns out the problem reported above wasn’t full solved by the update released by our dev team. I’ve reopened the issue with a suggested fix.
Indeed, the TFT per hour will change as the price of TFT fluctuates. I also checked during my testing, and the update to reduce the resources allocated to nodes hasn’t been pushed out on mainnet yet. I’ll update again in this thread when that’s live.
Not at all. In this case, Planetary Network just provides a way to be able to connect to the deployment for troubleshooting or management purposes (like making a copy of your node’s keys, for example). If you’re not familiar with SSH, there’s nothing to worry about with regard to Planetary Network and your Presearch node deployments.
I did notice that after deleting and retrying one of my failed deployments, it worked the second time. They should show up pretty much instantly in the Pre dashboard, so for any that don’t, redeploying could be worth a shot until we get the problem solved.
Did you resolve the issue with deploying your nodes? I do see that there is no stake amount for the not active nodes. If you freshly created them, you need to make sure they have the correct amount of tokens staked to them. If you transferred them, then that amount should be still displayed in the dashboard, but it isn’t with you. I believe there were some incidents where people lost their grandfather status when moving/relocation to another vps. And ended up to stake the new higher amount of coins.
Hope this might put you in the right direction of fixing the issues, if you still have them.
Greetings,
The issue is still not resolved. Node deployments are not showing as “connected” on Presearch. That has nothing to do with staking. Staking and unstaking has always worked.
There is no staked amount on my nodes that are not online because I obviously unstaked it all once they became disconnected and transfered all tokens to the only node (Singapore) that has always remained connected.
Today, I deployed mine and even after all the issue I had, I find it quite easy to do now. I selected a local EU farm for my node and used the restore function. It is working for me without issue so far (about 5hrs).
Did you create new nodes or did you move them from another VPS service?
If you guys have any node numbers that you have had trouble on, could you provide those, this opportunity sometimes involving individual nodes performance the cad be checked into
Looks like all the Presearch node issues are solved. At least on my end all 3 nodes have been up without problems
@scott would it be possible for the team to re-visit pricing for the nodes? It might not seem like much but $2 per month per node is $24/year. If you have several nodes, say 10, then we are talking $240/year.
Racknerd has an almost never ending promotion for $10/year for a KVM capable of hosting Pre nodes. That is half the price of what we are charging.
This is only my opinion and some may disagree, but I would suggest more agrresive pricing to get better market penetration. At least at the beginning. Preseach is only one type of node. There are several others that might be worth the effort to add to the playground if pricing is competitive. Incognito nodes come to mind for example
I run sevral of these and although token price is down, like TFT and like many others, the nodes are pretty profitable.
If pricing is competitive, and we get some marketing going by simply suggesting to some of the youtubers running nodes to try out Threefold, it could give a much needed boost to our token price.
These two dudes for example might be worth approaching to run some nodes on our grid and if they do a vid on deployments we could see some demand. But pricing has to be competitive.
There are over 72,000 nodes in operation. https://network.presearch.com/ If we can host them at say 70 cents per month, and we get 10% of the market, there would be about 5K revenue per month (7200 x 0.7). And that’s from preseach alone.
It doesent make sense to have a decentralized search engine running in data centers owned by Satan or some fake Web3 like Flux. These nodes should be hosted in a decentralized network like Threefold.
Responding to revitalize the discussion. Love to have more Presearch node on the grid. And as per @scott reporting, we’re using larger percentages of the available grids:
Maybe we can consider to make “presearch” a recognized solution, where the solution provider rewards can be distributed between the service provider (one click deployment done by ThreeFold DMCC) and / or the people deploying a presearch node to provide higher discounts.
An important note here is that you may be able to deploy a bunch of pre nodes in that kvm, but they will not all be in unique locations, behind unique ip addresses like they will be on different farms.
If your interested in optimizing where your deploying your nodes reach out to me on telegram and I can walk you through where you’ll see the most traffic. Some farms are in dcs that have short hops to internet exchanges.
Hi guys. From my last “Fail” to deploy a Presearch node within the playground, (retrospectively I made one on AWS free tire at the time with few clicks and its still working) But now, when I have active Farmerbot running on a VM on my node, I was wondering if i could setup a second Pre Node. Why not!? I could get the VM for free and maybe even get something plus on it even.
So, to cut things short. I’ve deployed the node as per the instructions on the presearch website. The Node show up in the presearch dashboard after 10min or so. Staked the 4k pre that was required, and still 8h+ after this i do not see the node as “Connected”. Am I missing something?
I checked while connected though CMD with SSH - pre is active. Tried to connect with Putty without success. I might be missing something. Any ideas?
Did you get it figured out? The best place to check for helpful errors in this case would be the logs of the Presearch container displayed by Docker after you run the initial startup command.
