Chat is now readonly. Does this limit our freedom of speech

#7

Are there plans to move this new chanel to mobile / app as well? Would make life easier to follow

#8

yes this is planned to be integrated within the app too.

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#9

A communication strategy is certainly not a bad idea and has nothing to do with limiting free speech. Coming from the ‘old style’ corporate world I would see a need to separate internal affairs from public information. There might be certain technical or strategical issues discussed within TF-Tech only. There might be areas, where a broader ‘selected audience’s’ info or contribution might be valuable. However this audience,when not part of TF-Tech needs to be ‘selected’, due to competitive reasons. For example, a serious investor has different interests compared to a freelance speculator. A marketing channel is different compared to Now, new times might also use new technologies or tools, which need to be evaluated, like Slack. ‘Corporate Values’ might only be posted pubicly, and commented upon request by an appointed person, in order not to waste time and resources.

#10

I personally think this Forum is a fantastic idea, Great to drive people to engage with the team and with each other within Threefold’s sites: This forum, freeFlow pages, or on 3bot.

The only constraint is that it adds some friction to the onboarding process of a community member in comparison to a telegram chat or a discord server. We need to make sure that people understand where and how they can ask their questions, and openly discuss, and this across all devices

** Make a step by step guide to download 3bot, join the forum, and connect it to mobile
** Include CTAs on the website to join the forum, and download 3bot
** Clarify on telegram ( and pin the message ) that the chat is no longer live and will be reserved for news, and that All interaction will be hosted on this forum/3bot
** Email all previous campaign participants and ambassadors to let them know of the update and the new process.

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#12

I don’t really understand your arguments @LucyVanPelt.
You say it is harder for participant to access? In what is it harder to access? There is not special requirement or limitation. Anyone can join. Can you be more specific so we can make the process as smooth as possible?

Then you said participant need to be “qualified”. What’s do you mean by “qualified”?

About the decentralization part. I didn’t see anywhere that we prevent someone from having its own opinion. This place remains a space where people can exchange and have contradictory ideas. I believe diversity is important. What make you think the opposite?

What would need to change according to you to make it more “decentralized”?

Then finally about the amount of person in the chat compare to the forum now. I think we need to give it a bit more time. Forum is still new I’m sure it will get some attention over time. It’s up to everyone to make it an interesting place to exchange :blush:. Also the forum is linked from the chat. So anyone that want to take part of the conversation is able too. And person that didn’t look at the chat were already not reached by the chat. So nothing lost there IMO.

I also want to state that any idea to improve thing is welcome.

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#14

Thank you for your honest thoughts.

I myself have a bit of internal conflict about some of these things. I fully believe in free speech. But I also believe in transparency. And verifiability of information.

I’d like to highlight that many projects use Telegram in the way that we have transitioned to, as a channel for broadcasting news and updates. For me, it’s not about silencing anybody. It’s something we should have done months ago, to be honest. There’s no rule that says Telegram has to be the place we grow community.

I do think we do have to be careful about “centralization” in what we do. But for me, true / total decentralization is chaos. So, there needs to be some order. Which we all agree. Is that centralization? It’s not that we want to make all the rules. Everyone should feel like they have a say.

We just have to continue to be clear about our intentions, listen to the community’s feedback, and grow and evolve over time. We are a work in progress, as are all things.

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#15

The fact that you need to download and install the 3Bot app to be able to login and participate is kind of a hurdle…

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#16

I think we make it to difficult to keep track of all
Things going on: telegram, freeflow and forum…

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#17

2 posts were split to a new topic: Error while trying to connect to the forum using 3bot connect

#18

I am unable to post on the FFP IEO space, while I can on other spaces?
I wanted to ask if there is an update on Liquid registrations, I added 2 more the past days…
Cheers!

#19

@kristof I think it was a great idea move chat discussions to threaded discussions, but converting a “Telegram group” to a “Telegram readonly group” is not the same thing of having a “real Telegram channel”:

  1. a Telegram channel gives anonymity to its followers
    this is very important: spammers cannot target followers since only admins can see the user profiles. this happens very often: bots steal users data really easy in public group.
  2. "xyz joined/left the group" annoying messages
    even if you put the readonly mode, you should add a bot to remove those messages
  3. 200.000 users limit:
    it might not be important/relevant today, but if you want to exponentially grow your audience, this will be sooner or later a limit since the project news could be followed worldwide by a limited amount of people
  4. statistics
    right now Telegram channel statistics are only for channels (and they are great), so you are missing an opportunity/tool to know better your audience

There’re for sure other differences, but these for me are enough to advise you to move immediately people inside the current “readonly group” to a real Telegram channel which is the best way to digitally broadcast information today! :wink:

IMPORTANT
You don’t need to lose the t.me/nickname, just switch the group to private to free the nickname, create immediately a channel with the same nickname and then invite (with a bot) all the people inside the old group to the new channel. :smiley:

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#20

super useful, we will try to implement things from this in July
thank you for this input

such a pity there is no way how to convert from group to channel

looks like you have a lot of experience with this, can you help us?

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#21

I agree, would be very useful to have a built-in function, but is not a big deal. What you can do with zero efforts (without the bot) is to put a post where you ask people to join the channel (after doing the steps I explained to keep the nickname), then you can later add who is missing if you feel that is necessary (maybe 90% of the people will join by themselves and there’s no need to do it). :wink:

Sure, I’m here to help, but the only person able to do the “nickname change” operation is the founder of the group, nobody else (not “normal admins”). Anyway it’s super easy and fast! :smiley:

**STEPS: GROUP :arrow_right: CHANNEL **

  1. the group founder needs to put the group private (you will free the nickname, so anybody can register it, so jump quick to step 2)
  2. create immediately a channel with the same nickname of the group
  3. create a post in the group where you ask people to join the channel, explaining that the group is going to be deprecated (or used for something else, personally I would keep it and think about the proper way to use it)
  4. the first post of the channel would be better to be the project logo with the website and a short description of the project, followed by a second post with a video introduction :wink:
#22

:warning: SCAM ALERT! :warning:

This is what happens when you use a group instead of a channel :roll_eyes:

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https://whois.domaintools.com/threefold.io

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https://whois.domaintools.com/freeflownation.org
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https://whois.domaintools.com/threefold.me (:rotating_light:SCAM WEBSITE)

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#23

@rebelcode thank you for pointing this out!

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#24

@rebelcode thanks
@Roel can we next week find some volunteers to execute this, make channel, … following instructions from @rebelcode

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#25

If you need other advices I’ll be happy to help! :pray:
Telegram is a very powerful tool but it’s pretty different from other socials so is needed a bit of study to understand the different logic. :jigsaw:

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#26

@rebelcode we didn’t find the time yet, but didn’t forget.

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#27

Hey @rebelcode, just dropping by again to let you know we’ve made the move to a channel:

Thanks again for the tips and pointers!

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#28

Yes thank you @rebelcode and thank you @Roelf for the update!
So exciting to have now the official channel live on: https://t.me/joinchat/AAAAAEvIQuCPmGnxZBwk_Q

Read you there! :smiley: :smiley: :smiley: :heart_decoration: :smiley: :smiley: :smiley:

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